UFOs, Secret Tech, CIA Mind Control & Ancient Civilizations: Conspiracies Put to the Ultimate Test

Well, it's been 63 years since President John F. Kennedy was murdered, and we still don't know the full story, or even the outline of the full story. Why don't we know that? Why can't we know that? And that's not the only thing we don't know. All over the world, for example, there are huge stone structures built thousands of years ago, we're told that primitive people built them with primitive tools. Really? Have you looked at them? A modern stonemason couldn't do that with modern tools. Why is no one interested in finding out how these things were made? At some point, we stopped being curious. In fact, curiosity became a kind of crime. People just accepted the official explanation, which is no explanation at all, and then they moved on. Well, Chad Roishau is not willing to move on. He's the host of our new series, Shadow Figures, which investigates some of history's greatest mysteries, from the JFK assassination to lost civilizations to many other topics that we should pause and think about. What is that? It is fascinating. It's worth watching. You can watch it now at tucker carlson.com. Chad joins us now. >> Chad, thank you very much for doing and and for making this series, which is amazing. >> Yeah. So you've gone through and reassessed and with some rigor I would say uh logical rigor and science a bunch of different stories um theories >> uh that are you know kind of everpresent in a lot of people's minds and I just want to go through some of them and ask what you've learned and some of these especially the first one the JFK assassination it's like kind of hard to think about what you could add to that but I think you have added something to it so what has surprised you or struck you about that story as you've looked at it? >> Well, I mean, uh, I didn't realize there was that this alternative, uh, motive theory that, uh, Jeff Crook Shank, who who our shadow figure, the way the show works is a shadow figure is someone that has a theory. >> Yeah. >> Or a conspiracy for a theory of a conspiracy or mystery. That's who the shadow figure is. So, in this one, it's Jeff Crookshake. And, and we didn't want to do a show where we had the theory and we investigated our own theory. We went to talk to people that had these theories. Uh, but my frustration has been as a fan of these topics like ancient aliens and things like that has been watching these shows and seeing historians and experts and college professors getting on cameras and changing from face to face and you're just talking about it. I'm like, will somebody go get a shovel and dig a hole? Like [laughter] do it and it's unsatisfying. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I could do that. I could get a group of special operations guys who have uh investigative spirit. Uh they're highly intelligent, highly capable. We have all the modern technology and ability to do that. we can go investigate these things and so let's talk to the these people that have these theories and either prove them or debunk them or find out more information for them. And so Jeff Krookshank in the JFK episode is Australian intelligence officer uh his whole career uh uh in in Australian intelligence and he also as part of his job was investigating the JFK assassination and then he he took that from his from his occupational of actually doing it for this uh Australian intelligence agency that he was with. He's taken that and uh and became a hobbyist in it. Yes. And so he had his own theories of why. I mean, there's there's tons of reasons why someone would have wanted to kill JFK, you know, Robert Kennedy putting the mafia in jail, uh us attempting to assassinate Fidel Castro, JFK allowing a coup in and South Vietnam, uh you Russia, like all all different kind of reasons that that could have happened. Uh but one that Jeff Krookshank presented was his beef JFK's personal beef with Allan uh Dulos, Director Dulles of the CIA. And uh as as JFK takes office, he inherits the uh the overthrowing of of C of Cuba from an Eisenhower plan called the Bay of Pigs. And there's this invasion of local nationals that defectors that we had control of about 1100 of them invaded Cuba and it was a complete flop. and JFK blamed Director Delos on it. They say it's one of the reasons that he forced him to resign. Uh but what Crookshank presents is that there were some other reasons to do with UAP programs that Kennedy wanted access to and uh and Kennedy kept pushing for that even as Delos left the CIA was still involved in these programs. Uh they had to stop Kennedy from uh pushing to have access to these programs. And Kenny was specifically concerned that some of these programs would start a war with Russia. just happened in the middle of the the the uh you know Cuban missile crisis, right? The uh I mean with the all the nuclear like the world's on the edge of a nuclear war and Kennedy's worried about that because because there's a program called uh u project palladium that by the way this is going to come back later um Lee Harvey Oswwell was part of in the 50s and and and project palladium was the spoofing of Russian radio uh defense system radar defense systems. So we were like kind of probing their radar defense systems. At the same time the US military is doing things like like like uh these these different operations uh one of them was uh operation fishbowl operation dominic where we are actually testing nuclear over the that uh uh over the Pacific. We're testing nuclear explosions in the ionosphere. And so as this is all happening Kennedy's like hey this is going to start a nuclear war. I need access to these programs because uh we need to let Russia know what we're actually doing and Delos is pushing back. And so the big belief that Crookshank has is that JFK was killed over this. >> The fact that Lee Harvey Oswald who was arrested for the murder and then of course famously killed by nightclub owner Jack Ruby uh two days later, but the fact that he was involved in Project Platium, is that one of those weird coincidences? Do we think it's relevant? Well, I mean, um, it it goes to the the the fact that they think he it could have been a weird coincidence, right? But it but it also he was he was part of the uh there some there's some CIA folks that said that they were following a lookalike in Mexico to uh to uh pin the assassination of Cast of Fidel Castro on uh on Oswald. And so he if he was if he was part of that then then uh they they think that that it eventually shifted from killing Castro to killing JFK. And so these guys came out and said they didn't want to be part of it. This is what what Crook Shank claims. And uh and now u one of the things that that ties to the UFOs is is operation bluegill. Uh if you watch the old videos of Operation Bluegill, there's a a video of of a ICBM going in air exploding. Oh, this one the first one didn't explode. It goes into air and as it's coming back down, there's a orb that follows it back down. And this is a documented video. Originally, this in in our in shadow figures in the show. Originally, the Department of Energy actually blocked that out. They altered the video so you couldn't see the orb. We have we actually have the the real footage of the orb being seen. And then uh Bluegill Triple Pime the uh as a as a next operation, the ICBM goes up and explodes. And when it explodes, that same orb actually falls. Now the the people the military people involved in this they were call they actually had seen this orb so many times they were calling it a tag along. So they actually had named it and this orb falls down and the naval ship records uh reflected there was actually a UFO recovery of that orb and when they brought it onto the ship the power in the ship went out certain uh some some uh sailors got uh radio radiation sickness. Uh so this is actually documented uh by the Navy. These orbs they recovered something whether it was UFO but this Crook Crook Shank claims it was a UFO. So uh this kind of ties to the fact that there was uh a UFO or UFO UAP programs tied to these operations that Kennedy was wanting access to. >> Why wouldn't the president of the United States be able to get access to information in the branch of government he controls? Well, I mean that's been kind of UAP uh I mean I don't think President Trump has access no these programs right now. I think there's a there's a se a secret segmented part of the government that has uh worked outside of congressional control for quite some time. And if you look at uh something like the Majestic 12 which is if you know what the Majestic 12 is true I'm sure you do for those listening uh President Truman started the Majestic 12 to investigate UAP activity. Uh it was it was brief to Eisenhower but no one since uh including including JFK who he wanted access to this information about this Majestic 12 or MJ12. And so I think I think JFK was probably the first president that this was kept from and uh and they did successfully keep it from him. Now whether they killed him over it or not, right, this is speculation by shadow figure Jeff Krookshank, but but it was kept from JFK and uh and has been kept I believe from every president since. Why would a president put up with that? I know we're going far a field here, but it just [laughter] can't that's not self-government. If the guy who's been elected by the population to run the country can't see information in the government he controls, then how is it a democracy? >> It it's not it's not I mean we we uh there's certainly from what I've done extensive amount of research in this too, but from what I've researched as well, I mean this this has been a issue for many presidents many presidents where they personally get in the White House and I mean if I was president the first thing I want to see is I want to see I want to see the grays. I want to see the aliens. I want to see the aircraft. I want to see these things. And uh and they've been stonewalled to see these things. And and including uh uh members of Congress right now. I mean, right now you have members of Congress like uh Berles and Bashett who are trying to go see these sites and and they're not getting access to the see these sites. uh and and uh you know there's somewhere within our government for obviously for a very long time all the way he sends back Truman uh they begin to segment off a a part of the government that is people don't have access to including the president of the United States and I I agree with you I don't think it's a democracy >> that just means it's a separate government >> it's a separate government exactly >> right there's a country >> and and and by the way um we could we could go way into this but there's money money being siphoned off to fund these programs course a tremendous amount when you have a imbalance >> of budgets like we have, right? It'd be pretty easy to siphon off money to run these programs. >> Yeah. Well, I know the rigorous annual audits they undergo must find those imbalances. Yeah. Right. [laughter] Okay. Um so, sorry. Back to the Kennedy assassination. So, his is his is Krook Shanks belief that Oswald acted alone. >> No. Uh he believes that he was part of a part of a a CIA assassination team. Now, whether that was official or rogue, uh he doesn't really make claim to that. Uh but he but he does believe this is the same assassination team that was being used and trained to assassinate uh Fidel Castro. Uh again they were they were they were in um Mexico having a uh um Leo Harvey Oswwell lookalike filming him going to Soviet different uh different Soviet embassies and different locations to really plot to uh for him to be the paci psy for uh a Fidel Castro assassination. And they shifted the target to JFK. That's that's his claim. >> So, anywhere worth going this Christmas is better when you're wearing comfortable boots. And Tokovas makes the absolute best boots you will ever wear. Trust us on this. 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I I there was at least one there, but we also believe a different trajectory that there was one in the trajectory of the grassy null. Uh, Crook Shank believed that that specifically there was someone hiding in the storm drain of the grassy null. So, that's his claim. His claim is that there's two shooters at minimum of two shooters. One in the sixth floor, the Texas Book Depository building where Oswalds was uh alleged to be and the second would be at the storm drain of the grassy null. And so for us, we this is a theory and we want to test this theory. And to test that theory, I put together what I believe to be some of the best special operation snipers of our generation. Uh led by Mark Green, who is a Navy Seal uh sniper, but he's also the commander of sniper school for the Navy Seals. Very uh intelligent uh military officer and uh and and sniper. Uh and we had some others. Dennis Price, uh, we had Colton Hill, uh, Cody Alfred, who Mars, Marine Force Recon, Mars, scout sniper, incredibly experienced snipers. We brought some of the best guys we could to actually recreate those scenarios and test those shots. >> We're going to play a clip of what you just described. >> It was time to see how hard it would be to replicate what the government says Oswald did. Shoot at Kennedy three times, allegedly hitting him twice with a bolt-action rifle while traveling in a moving vehicle. All right, spotter, talk to me. >> Hey, we got a target in the vehicle. 12:00, 100 yards. >> Roger that. 12:00 100 yd. >> Uh, 6 mph, quarter value, hold slight left when ready. >> 6 mph, quarter value, holding left. Shooters ready. >> Shooter ready. Standby. Starting wedge. Right shoulder. Nice head shot. Should we cheer or no? >> All right. >> What did you say? Oh, no. >> Kind of morbid. >> Looks like a >> Is it Am I wrong? >> Looks like I got >> It was a good hit, >> dude. It blew it apart. >> There's the bottom right of the skull. >> So, Mark nailed it. Three shots, 8 seconds. The only thing to consider is Mark did have Dennis as a spotter. >> Supposedly, Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. >> So, what do we learn? So, we learned that uh that the the Warren Commission, by the way, which was 1964 Warren Commission was the investigation of the JFK assassination, by the way, in 2023 did a Gallot poll and and 65% Americans don't buy that story. Uh no surprise there. But, uh but there was >> I'd love to meet the 35 who do >> who do Yeah. They go along with everything, right? Uh but but um one of the things specifically that that our shooters disagreed with, our snipers disagreed with was was some of the forensics and the uh autopsy that this was a rear entry wound and a and a a rear a rear lower uh lower head entry wound and the exit wound was from the from the front right skull. We believe we believe that to be from assessment that that was actually reverse that the entry room was in the front of the skull and exited out of the back. Uh this has been debated beyond us, right? So we so it since we believe that we that aligned with what Crook Shank's theory was. So we reshot it. First thing we want to see was could Oswald successfully pull off eight shot uh three shots in 8 seconds. We believed he could. Uh and and we were able to do that pretty easily. U six six uh six floor uh 60 to 90 yards was the assessment of how far it was. A moving vehicle uh and and to be able to at least get one head shot from there. We able to reshoot that no problem. Oswell was capable >> using the carcono rifle this >> using we use the CCO rifle and uh and another was the magic bullet there. He wanted to see you know could could that bullet actually go through uh JFK and enter the governor. Uh now you're talking about going through soft tissue of the neck uh coming out of JFK's front of his neck going into the governor going through his through his body uh going through his wrist and then lodging in his knee. Could that bullet actually do that? I could say right away definitively yes. There's nothing magic about that bullet. You have a you have a a 7.5 mm bullet full metal jacket moving at 2,000 ft per second in excess of 2,000 ft per second. At 60 to 90 yards, it still has the velocity to do that. So, nothing's magic about that. I think the only person that uh that heard it uh audibly, no one really heard it audibly. Uh we we see him uh slump over and he's leaning and we see the uh the bullet entered here and and exited here. And so the trajectory of that would have had to would have had to line up as he passed the storm drain. You get about at a vehicle moving anywhere from probably 9 to 11 miles an hour as it's passing there. You if someone's in that storm drain, they're going to have like a 1 to two second window to get that shot off and where is it going to hit? Cuz you can't control if you're in that storm drain, you can't control uh the sm amount of u the window you're going to have to shoot from. So, we put Cody Alfred in the Storm Dream with a pistol and we rolled it across and and when when it came across, he had the split second to make the shot. And when it the shot went off and we had that that dummy positioned, it hit exactly in the spot of of the skull that we believe was the entry wound for JFK in the third and final fail. >> How far was the storm drain from the vehicle is >> of uh 10 to 15 ft. If you imagine just a vehicle driving in in the lane next to storm drain, that that's it. And if you're sitting in that storm drain, which is it's like a urban area storm drain, it's a very small window >> and uh you had to be waiting to Yeah. So you had to be waiting for it to happen and you probably was were cued or you he would have heard other shots, >> right? that the shooter would have either been queued by radio or he would have heard other shots as signal shots and and he he knew the vehicle was coming and uh and when it hit I think we all conclusively knew when it hit because it hit so precise to what the forensics and autopsy show like right in the in the exact same spot and we we had positioned that dummy to have that same leaning angle as JFK was holding his neck and so we believe to be we believe that that Crook Shanks maybe not motive of of why it happened But the theory of of a shooter in the storm drain for that third and final fatal shot was 100% correct. And and and this is nothing about opinion or his opinion of it. This is math. It's ballistics and trajectory. Uh and and we just did a math project. And based on the ballistics and trajectory, we be that third final and fatal shot came from. Even if the the theory was correct, even if the theory was correct that that that that this was the entry wound and this was the exit wound, the trajectory doesn't match the the sixth floor of the book. depository building. >> So, it couldn't have came from there. If if if the if we're wrong about the entry and exit, then that shot that third and final shot did not come from the Texas Book Depository building. It came from somewhere else. But we believe that the entry was the front uh the front of his head. So, nobody wants to feel tired and foggy. You got low energy that hurts your career, your health, your marriage. Joy and Bloss is one of the best ways to make sure you stay totally alert and on top of your game. The message to men is simple. If you're tired of being tired, you don't have to accept defeat. Much of what you're feeling probably traces back to your hormones to low testosterone. 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So episode two is about something that most most of us were here for and that is the disappearance of the famous Malaysian airliner. >> Yeah. >> 12 or so years ago. Um what happened to it? >> Well, yeah. Uh I don't think we still know even after my episode, but [laughter] Uh but uh but Ashton Forbes uh is is a a theorist and that's who we interview on on Malaysia Flight 370. He has a really interesting theory. Uh and that theory is that that uh that a government program intercepts Malaysia flight 370 using orb technology to transport it to to uh to a different location, a CI a secret CIA military base. And uh it sounds crazy. Uh however um if the video which the video is in debate if the video that that he shows is real then uh then certainly it's it's plausible right you see so first of all on on the flight you have you have 20 uh semiconductor usually when a goes down you're like who's on a plane like you want to know like the plane went down who's on this plane 20 semiconductor engineers that are part of a of government program flying from Malaysia to Beijing uh so there's a little bit of a motive there like where are these guys going? Are they defecting going to give US technology to China and and so the US military would or the CIA or US military would want to gain control of the aircraft? And so how do they do that? Well, they uh what what Ashen alleges is that the plane takes off and after the plane takes off, smoke uh starts coming from the back of the aircraft and the plane lowers itself. Uh it it lowers itself and and a naval vessel contacts the pilot and says, "Your plane's on fire. uh we need you to go to this location and we're going to do emergency rescue. And so the plane uh on fire theory is something that we needed to test because we didn't believe that uh that there could be a plane enough fire that would last uh over an hour uh to to be able to make it to a rendevous point. You first of all, you can't have a a the or the the the plane fire was said to be because of these these lithium batteries were put on this plane unmanifested. I think um I think I got to go back and look the number, but I think it's like 200 lb of of lithium batteries put on this plane unmanifested right before. Now, lithium uh fire can't be put out with water. In fact, the aircraft don't even have water suppression systems because you can't carry that much water to put it out. And so if a lithium battery fire took place on an aircraft, it would went down immediately. And so we want to be able to prove that theory. So we we got a scaled down one and 30th scale aircraft and we lit it on fire to see how long it would last and it lasted minute minutes. So that that that that was not a scenario that we believe was possible. And so we believe that it would have been a uh there would have been some kind of uh maybe diversion incinerary device that created smoke just to be able to create a that scenario to gain control of the aircraft. Uh Forbes claims that that then the the pilot complied went to went out towards where the the naval ship was and then was intercepted by uh a Predator drone. You can see the feed on the video. You can see part of the Predator the Predator drone on the video. And uh and and there's another satellite video of it from two different angles. So you have two different angles showing the same thing. You see a plane flying with smoke hanging out the back of it and you you see one orb come in and then a second orb come in and a third orb come in. These orbs start circling the aircraft uh in a in a weird pattern, a a very not a weird pattern, a very uh um synchronized pattern and then they flash, a flash goes and the plane disappears. One of the interesting things he brought brought up with this was that that uh the plane reappears near the the CIA military base and and when it uh when it does people spot a burning plane there eyewitnesses of a burning plane going through there and both the disappearance location and reappearance location which are a thousand miles away. Uh also the cell phones on the the cell phones start pinging uh because it's low enough for the cell phones to start pinging. So the in both locations you have cell phones pinging for both locations. >> Is that a is that a fact? >> Uh that's his claim. His claim I haven't seen reports. This is his claim that the cell phones are pinging in both locations that the and that the family members there's statements from the family members that the cell phones continue to ring for up to a week. Uh so when you call a phone, if it's in the bottom of the ocean, it's not going to ring. It's going to go right to voicemail. But if you call a phone and it's still uh you know in service, it's going to ring and go to voicemail. And so family members claim those phones rang for up to a week. And uh and so his his claim is that some sort of teleporting technology and these orbs were able to capture that plane and and move it to a different location. >> What happened to the rest of the people on the plane? >> We never heard from them again. This has been searched like for years for debris and it's been small parts of debris. Some people say it was placed there, but not certainly not in a finding the aircraft and there's no evidence where the aircraft would have went. >> So, I don't know what I think. I'm skeptical though of that theory. >> Yeah, that's that that actually that that actually is one of the ones I'm I'm slight skeptical about as well. The video is is very much in question. Uh Ashton Forbes spends his life defending this video. We did have a Hollywood uh producer come on and look at the video and say that the video was was not doctorred because of the way the orbs go through the the chemtrail and the the or the smo